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I'm choking at the bit here and still awaiting a reversal of my gagging order. Then we'll put this business to bed.

American Dream » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:49 pm wrote:

Searcher08 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:38 pm wrote: @AD
There was a post that PW directly addressed to jakell that was later deleted.
He *was* warned in no uncertain terms not to continue.

I need to put clearly that AD, your constant characterising of the responses you were getting as trolling when they were often very specific, detailed and on point to the thread - eg such as specific practical strategies for dealing with fascism from a European online context - is over egging the pudding. Frankly, at times I felt he was behaving towards you better than you toward slim, slad or myself historically - there was some 'what goes around, comes around' vibe from me, which is better to (uncomfortably) air than fester unsaid.

You are interpreting my words through a distorted lens. I wasn't referring to jakell's (still foundationally vague) exposition of his years on the British fascist board as trolling, much as I found them to still be part of his difficult/impossible to pin down persona. I was referring to his other posts, which were fundamentally negative but in an even more impossible to pin down way, e.g. focused on really peripheral aspects but relentlessly negative.


@ZBG You also have been difficult to pin down ideologically since you came here and my sense of backpedaling is related to your now rejecting all forms of Anarchism, whereas previously you defended jakell's advocacy of Keith Preston's "Anarchism". So I chose my words carefully as I haven't seen you commit yourself to a clear ideological position. Call it a "rigorous intuition".

I defended Jakells position on NA as being not necessarily indicative of him being a fascist and just him having a consistent worldview, something I admire in people. I am not an Anarchist however, and I dont really like Anarchism(if I did I would be one you see). Now please, explain to me how I can clear up my ideological position. What exactly are you asking for here? I thought you meant my ideological position on the topic at hand, do you want broader strokes than that? How broad? Do I have to spell out my position on public transport before you will grant me the great honor of fucking answering my questions? Do you want my metaphysical positions as well? Do I need to outline every facet of my spiritual thinking?

Tell me what you want, so I can give it to you and then you can whine that its not enough and refuse to answer any of my questions. Also, lets assume that I am a part of this great fascist conspiracy that has taken hold of the minds of everyone but you. Why does that prevent you from answering my questions? Why is it that when I ask you a simple question about your worldview suddenly its me who is on trial? Why do you refuse to talk about your beliefs with people unless they make it clear that they are 100% free of badthink?

you got it ...it's free for all time

jakell » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:58 pm wrote:I'm choking at the bit here and still awaiting a reversal of my gagging order. Then we'll put this business to bed.

Project Willow » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:31 pm wrote:

jakell » 24 Feb 2014 11:07 wrote:Someone needs to have patience. When I get word back from PW then I will engage, a mod has to be straight up, but I can't be subject to another poster's capriciousness.

Oh, FFS, he's directly asked you a question.

What an unnecessary....

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Everybody involved has been warned numerous times, everybody continues their same old behaviors, and everybody wants the mods to intervene in the inevitable flame war. The mods are not a substitute for your self control. It's your board, change your behavior or enjoy your bonfire.

Seemed ambiguous to me. The trouble is this puts the ball back in AD's court ('he asked you a question') and the initial problems were due to this particular erratic driver. I need to hear it from the source. I don't really see the difficulty.

PW... a pm will do, but I would like my lead back please.

brainpanhandler » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:10 pm wrote:

coffin_dodger » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:49 pm wrote:Is there a way that we can all declare our dislike of Fascism and the far right - so that the board doesn't become even more swamped with Fascist related threads? It's starting to look obsessional.

The issue is identifying rebranding shenanigans. It's an obsession worth having if it is an obsession. Eternal vigilance. You can always choose to not click on these threads of course. Perhaps one of the token threads posted by slad to make it appear she actually has other interests and does not spend every waking hour obsessing on her perceived enemies at ri might be more to your liking.

obligatory smiley:

jakell » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:06 pm wrote:Seemed ambiguous to me. The trouble is this puts the ball back in AD's court ('he asked you a question') and the initial problems were due to this particular erratic driver. I need to hear it from the source. I don't really see the difficulty.

PW... a pm will do, but I would like my lead back please.

she is not going to step in here ....she has said as much ..she is NOT going to babysit this thread

oh there ya go it's family reunion time at the OK Corral

best buddies together again

Rory » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:42 pm wrote:
I'm not a wanker, but you are - NEH, NEH NE NEH, NEH!

Wow, Searcher. That's deep
Back to trolling AD and engaging in groupthink bully tactics for you and the anti AD gang.

*popcorn*

Hey, Rory, thanks for your kind words, not to mention your fascinating analysis!

@AD
Second para first:
I have not read ANYTHING that ZBG has written that sets off 'Stormfrenter Incoming' alarms.
I am not even reading he is supporting jakell, but is trying to get answers from yourself.
Respectfully, I have to agree with him about how difficult it can be to get a clear answer from YOU!!! - and failing and feeling very frustrated.

First para
I dont think jakell is a fascist at all; I do think he is challenging you around both your content and your engagement strategy. Framing what he was saying as 'relentlessly negative' (to me) is a very self-dissing thing to do. Making prospective readers have to drink from a firehose of Copy-Pasta is too.

Please, turn your alarm off and start treating jakell and ZBG like other posters. It is in the RI Rules, *above* the anti-fascist board quotation. Give us the credibility that we can make up our *own* mind about them. Put them on ignore if you want.

seemslikeadream » Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:09 pm wrote:

jakell » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:06 pm wrote:Seemed ambiguous to me. The trouble is this puts the ball back in AD's court ('he asked you a question') and the initial problems were due to this particular erratic driver. I need to hear it from the source. I don't really see the difficulty.

PW... a pm will do, but I would like my lead back please.

she is not going to step in here ....she has said as much ..she is NOT going to babysit this thread

I've pm'd her and I just need the nod. I spent two weeks restraining myself and showing respect for modship, I think I deserve a little respect in return.

solace » Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:07 pm wrote:

brainpanhandler » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:10 pm wrote:

coffin_dodger » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:49 pm wrote:Is there a way that we can all declare our dislike of Fascism and the far right - so that the board doesn't become even more swamped with Fascist related threads? It's starting to look obsessional.

The issue is identifying rebranding shenanigans. It's an obsession worth having if it is an obsession. Eternal vigilance. You can always choose to not click on these threads of course. Perhaps one of the token threads posted by slad to make it appear she actually has other interests and does not spend every waking hour obsessing on her perceived enemies at ri might be more to your liking.

obligatory smiley:

I just *love* your contributions - they are so unpredictable! and original!! and full of pith!!!
Your use of emoticons here was full of both mastery and rhythm.

Searcher08 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:17 pm wrote:

solace » Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:07 pm wrote:

brainpanhandler » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:10 pm wrote:

coffin_dodger » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:49 pm wrote:Is there a way that we can all declare our dislike of Fascism and the far right - so that the board doesn't become even more swamped with Fascist related threads? It's starting to look obsessional.

The issue is identifying rebranding shenanigans. It's an obsession worth having if it is an obsession. Eternal vigilance. You can always choose to not click on these threads of course. Perhaps one of the token threads posted by slad to make it appear she actually has other interests and does not spend every waking hour obsessing on her perceived enemies at ri might be more to your liking.

obligatory smiley:

I just *love* your contributions - they are so unpredictable! and original!! and full of pith!!!
Your use of emoticons here was full of both mastery and rhythm.

being beaten up in one thread where is a hunter to go?...find a safe place with his best buds they'll make him look tall and scary

You're welcome, Searcher. Good luck with getting a rise out of AD, btw. That fucker has nerves of steel - I don't even agree with much of his posting style, but hey, I ignore it and the world keeps spinning. This gang stalking? Now this is entertainment

*more popcorn*

Rory » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:30 pm wrote:You're welcome, Searcher. Good luck with getting a rise out of AD, btw. That fucker has nerves of steel - I don't even agree with much of his posting style, but hey, I ignore it and the world keeps spinning. This gang stalking? Now this is entertainment

*more popcorn*

For whatever it is worth, my style of posting many articles from other folks- writings that I may not perfectly agree with in form or content but find interesting or useful- has come to its present shape after years on this board.

As even a casual reader might well understand, I don't always find the discussion here a worthwhile endeavor. Much of the time I'd rather focus on meaningful ideas than ego- or ways of thinking and being that aren't worth putting much effort into struggling with.

Nevertheless, my intentions are really good and the effort I put into the articles I post is a clear sign of that positive intent.

Im still waiting for a reply. What exactly do you mean by me clearly stating my ideological stance? Please, point me to the hoops and I will jump through them.

jakell » 24 Feb 2014 20:58 wrote:I'm choking at the bit here and still awaiting a reversal of my gagging order. Then we'll put this business to bed.

...I don't think mere words.....nay....even the encyclopaedic RI emoticon library.....will be sufficient to fully convey the depth of my gratitude & elation if that were to be the outcome of this thread....