RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

[Jeff]

Appreciate your action on taking that down, Miles.

Et said this place needs an exorcism, and who knows, this thread may be it. But I think we need to start respecting and applying the house rules or the thread is going to need one itself.

[elfismiles]

Before I go off to bed and try to leave in peace, here is the draft response I finished late yesterday but hadn't yet posted to the thread I deleted at my forum because of Et's "request" that I pull it.

FWIW, which is probably nothing at this point, it took me so long to draft it and I hadn't posted it because I just wasn't sure how best to say what I wanted to say because no matter what I tried it was likely going to spiral out of control like this thread did only worse. I probably shouldn't post this as it can only open me up for more criticism but, what the heck.

Hello fellas,

Thankfully I've not had to get involved much in this thread so far. I hate to disappoint, especially when folks come to my (dusty inactive house) and give me compliments and at least seem to try and play nice - at first.

There are things that have been said here that I agree with a lot. It's just the modus operandi and demeanor of the messengers / guests that seems to constantly get in the way. I don't enjoy pompous arrogant pontificators. No offense.

I can sorta understand the pleasure in extolling cryptic prose in the hopes that the audience is intrigued enough to peel away the onion layers and decipher any hidden meanings.

I can sorta understand the fun of cyber-sleuthing, discovering suspicious forum user activities, connecting the dots in one's head and publicizing one's conclusions.

But I don't abide the MO, demeanor, behaviors of these Internet Avengers. I especially tire of the use of false identities and multiple username sock-puppeting. Something which all of you are accused of by the very forum owner you'd tell me not to trust.

I'm not interested in publicly or privately rehashing bad forum encounters you've had that convince you the forum owner or forum users are disinfo. Unless you have HARD PROOF. Guilt by association won't cut it.

Each of you has insights into various virtual world and real world shenanigans of potential parapolitical import. I'm just not interested in engaging in much of a dialogue with people who seem to act like Trolls while they are out on the internets Hunting Trolls. No offense.

I do find interest in the things that you each do and say but given past behaviors I'm not really inclined to try and create a dialog.

-=-

Now, if I must address a few things just to get them off my chest or to appease the original desire of those posting here...

The RI crowd reacted badly to you terilee but given the forums past experiences with sock-puppets this is almost standard now. Is it right or fair, no, not really. But not everyone reacted that way. And it was in a subforum where a lot of users don't necessarily read much. That's how I missed the ARG discussion there and link to the September Unforum thread on TLS. That link which was my first coming across of unfiction discussion on TLS - and thus DE's "latest" gambit at attracting interest in "The ARG That MIGHT Change the World".

Et at RI can be an arse - so can a lot of people. Yeah, RI's owner coulda shoulda been more judicious in handling Et. Yeah, Et is perhaps the most extreme / reactive person there besides the occasional driveby Troller but whatever. I don't see anything nefarious about that nor about Et's alleged lifestyle nor email address. Big freakin deal.

Synchs happen but I'm not gonna get dragged into analysis of when Jeff Well's posted this or that King in Yellow links.

While I find much of your commentary of interest Terilee, I'm Sorry but I'm just not really amenable to discussing ARGs or anything else with someone who might decide to take personal information about me and slanderously blast it out across there blogs based on emotional angst.

With all that has happened with DE I think it would be just fine if I end by quoting him:

"I, personally, admit defeat. If there is a larger, puzzle-like structure to The Last Statue, or even Wit of the Staircase, I have failed to tease it out in a way that anyone finds at all compelling. So maybe there is nothing to it after all."

... now I'll just go crawl under a rock ...

[elfismiles]

Appreciate your action on taking that down, Miles.

Et said this place needs an exorcism, and who knows, this thread may be it. But I think we need to start respecting and applying the house rules or the thread is going to need one itself.

Jeff, you are welcome.

Et, you had me at "please take down the slanderous personal information".

Goodnight - if one can still be had.

[Uncle $cam]

Jeff, what is the point of this little exercise? I'm not talking to your friend, ego, I forfeit where he and c2w are concerned, they won the... well, whatever it is they are attempting to win. Is that what you want? I very much respect you, and your talented prose, and I've not kissed your ass as others seem to here, not because I don't dig on ya, cause I do, but because I have met to many authors, and found them to be as flawed as myself or anyone. I wont put you or anyone else up on some pedestal, not that you think anyone should, I'm just saying.

I'm finding it interesting the silence from your end, it's your forum, I'll leave if you want me to.

[compared2what?]

And btw, thank you, et. I decided to wing it, and I did a bad job. It would have been a disaster without you. Live and learn.

As many have observed, I haven't even really said anything yet. That's in part because of something smiths thought narcissistic -- which is simply that I don't actually share et's belief that RI needs an exorcism. (et -- I'm respectfully differing, not fucking trashing you, okay?) I'd much rather see all the posters who are generally well liked assets to the community remain here. Even if they did happen to have slipped up and revealed themselves once or twice, thus attracting my attention as subjects whose identity-establishing shenanigans turned out to be worth tracing. Because I don't really give a fuck who they are or what brought them here. As long as they're not fucking shit up at RI, they're A-OK with me.

I'm sorry if that sounds big-headed. It's really actually the reverse. Because I really do get trolled a hell of a lot here. And I really wouldn't want to make someone pay for that crime, if it was their only one. As long as they kept it within tolerable limits. But I certainly do fucking notice it privately. And I also certainly do keep an eye out for signs of destructive or malicious game-playing by those actors with other posters who might not be as long-accustomed to dealing with elementary mindfuckery as I am. I've dealt with a lot of professional liars in my life. I'm used to them and don't take what they do personally. Because during most of the years in which I dealt with them, it wasn't personal. It was, literally, professional. They were doing their jobs. I was doing mine. It was business as usual.

I haven't liked what I've been seeing here the last month or so. I wanted to put the sleepers on notice. I'll clean up whatever mess I made doing that as best I can, if this thread keeps moving forward and as events do, if they do. Which I hope they don't.

I'd like to thank et again. Thank you, et. This shit has been driving me crazy, and I was not at my sharpest tonight. Thanks for riding to the rescue.

[Jeff]

Jeff, what is the point of this little exercise?

If you don't know, then you weren't the point, and sincere apologies for the crossfire.

[Telexx]

And btw, thank you, et. I decided to wing it, and I did a bad job. It would have been a disaster without you. Live and learn.

As many have observed, I haven't even really said anything yet. That's in part because of something smiths thought narcissistic -- which is simply that I don't actually share et's belief that RI needs an exorcism. (et -- I'm respectfully differing, not fucking trashing you, okay?) I'd much rather see all the posters who are generally well liked assets to the community remain here. Even if they did happen to have slipped up and revealed themselves once or twice, thus attracting my attention as subjects whose identity-establishing shenanigans turned out to be worth tracing. Because I don't really give a fuck who they are or what brought them here. As long as they're not fucking shit up at RI, they're A-OK with me.

I'm sorry if that sounds big-headed. It's really actually the reverse. Because I really do get trolled a hell of a lot here. And I really wouldn't want to make someone pay for that crime, if it was their only one. As long as they kept it within tolerable limits. But I certainly do fucking notice it privately. And I also certainly do keep an eye out for signs of destructive or malicious game-playing by those actors with other posters who might not be as long-accustomed to dealing with elementary mindfuckery as I am. I've dealt with a lot of professional liars in my life. I'm used to them and don't take what they do personally. Because during most of the years in which I dealt with them, it wasn't personal. It was, literally, professional. They were doing their jobs. I was doing mine. It was business as usual.

I haven't liked what I've been seeing here the last month or so. I wanted to put the sleepers on notice. I'll clean up whatever mess I made doing that as best I can, if this thread keeps moving forward and as events do, if they do. Which I hope they don't.

I'd like to thank et again. Thank you, et. This shit has been driving me crazy, and I was not at my sharpest tonight. Thanks for riding to the rescue.

C2W - it was a disaster anyway. A big fucking mess.

You're right in that this board doesn't need an exorcism. It needs an enema...

I can understand the anger over all of this - it's 'cause you both (yourself & et) care. A lot. And with good reason from where I'm standing.

So, if there's malicious game-playing & mindfuckery at play, lets have full disclosure and lance the boil. This coyness is desultory, whereas you C2W are most certainly not.

Thanks,

Telexx

[Et in Arcadia ego]

Jeff, what is the point of this little exercise?

If you don't know, then you weren't the point, and sincere apologies for the crossfire.

I have to stress here, and I mean it sincerely, that if you are reading this, and do not have a general grasp of what has happened in this thread, you probably are not going to 'get it'. I have pushed for transparency here, and forced it as much as I could, but even so, I understand we leave many questions unanswered.

We'll get all that straight, and you will understand what has happened here tonight.

I'm sorry it wasn't made more clear, but I think we broke more ground tonight than I had any hope of seeing.

I would really like to focus on healing the board from an illness many may have felt but may not have understood, but I don't think that can happen till we finish the job, and its not an easy task. Some of us have been put against one another, deliberately played, and for reasons still unknown. I don't want to alarm anyone, but I think there are still a few remaining who are not as they appear, but I give you my word, we will work to ferret these persons out, and remove the infection at its root.

I'm going to leave it at that for now. I've put about seven hours into this thread non-stop, and I'm pretty worn out.

[Jeff]

Also, FWIW, about Percival. It wasn't just a link. It was the fact he got it from someone I had told him meant this place harm (the troll socrates). And it was a link containing extraordinarily malicious material and threats towards members here. I still cannot understand how he could have created a thread pointing attention to it in the innocence he professes.

But, hey - maybe he did. Crazier things. It could have been sheer shit judgement. I need to say so, because we know only that Percival gave them reckless comfort which wounded people here, not that he's one of the Bad Guys.

[Et in Arcadia ego]

God damn..fourteen pages in a single night..

[compared2what?]

C2W - it was a disaster anyway. A big fucking mess.

You're right in that this board doesn't need an exorcism. It needs an enema...

I can understand the anger over all of this - it's 'cause you both (yourself & et) care. A lot. And with good reason from where I'm standing.

So, if there's malicious game-playing & mindfuckery at play, lets have full disclosure and lance the boil. This coyness is desultory, whereas you C2W are most certainly not.

Thanks,

Telexx

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Me: Take your meta-model questions, and shove them up your arse.

Pedant #1: How, specfically, should I do that.

Me: FFS! Aiiieee. I don't care. Kthx.

You may be right. It certainly wasn't all good. And I'm entirely to blame for that. "Disaster" seems kind of like an overstatement to me though. I mean, the essential problem is still that we've got trolls in our midst. That's not a disaster. It's just a big, intractable problem.

I'm afraid that I have to sleep on it. I mean, in order to correct my errors in judgment. Because I am in the right on the general foundations, that I still know

But, you know, delivery is everything wrt message sending. And I got knocked for a loop straight into reactivity -- and hence into very ineffective message-sending -- in like, round one. And I'd thought I was ready for the blow that sent me there, too. Guess not.

In any event. It can't be undone. It can only be rethought. So sleeping and thinking to follow.

[AlicetheKurious]

It's seriously disorienting for me to realize how much has been going on TOTALLY below my radar. Realizing how oblivious I've been makes me feel just a little bit like a chump.

The only reassuring aspect of this whole thing is that clearly, only a small minority of the active members here have been involved in or even aware of all the mind-games.

For the record, I don't think this very confusing and off-putting and very internal discussion should have been on the main page of the RI board. It undermines the board's credibility and its value as a place where you can find fascinating and very important information that is extremely difficult to find anywhere else, as well as critical analysis of very confusing phenomena and events.

As someone has said, the RI board is their newspaper. Coming here now would be like picking up the Daily News and finding articles about marital infidelity and petty theft among the staff, with a lot of obscure references that only 'insiders' understand. Nothing could be more damaging, or more discouraging to people who pop in, in the hope of finding solid information. There should be a separate category for such threads about the board itself, and they should be kept out of the main page. Maybe all these related threads could be moved. Please.

Or maybe I just don't get it, and the mission of this board is very different from what I thought it was, during all these years I've been here.

That said, since I'm here already, I might as well ask one question that has been bothering me: c2w, I don't doubt your assertion that you've been targeted specifically, but why you? Were you randomly selected? Or did you trip some specific wire? I've never understood all the very confusing brouhaha about TD and ARG and all that, but clearly there are elements there that gave these subjects the (to me, inexplicable) power to suck a lot of people in. As a result, some people involved have been motivated to mount some sort of organized vendetta against Jeff, and eiae, but why you? Is it because you caught on to some shenanigans and said so, and thereby made yourself a target? The reason I'd like to know the answer, is that it will tell me something about what this board is REALLY all about -- what I thought, or an insular, irrelevant (to me) game that some people are playing with each other.

I have a feeling I'm going to regret this, and end up even more confused, but had to ask anyway.

[compared2what?]

Jeff, what is the point of this little exercise?

If you don't know, then you weren't the point, and sincere apologies for the crossfire.

I have to stress here, and I mean it sincerely, that if you are reading this, and do not have a general grasp of what has happened in this thread, you probably are not going to 'get it'. I have pushed for transparency here, and forced it as much as I could, but even so, I understand we leave many questions unanswered.

We'll get all that straight, and you will understand what has happened here tonight.

I'm sorry it wasn't made more clear, but I think we broke more ground tonight than I had any hope of seeing.

I would really like to focus on healing the board from an illness many may have felt but may not have understood, but I don't think that can happen till we finish the job, and its not an easy task. Some of us have been put against one another, deliberately played, and for reasons still unknown. I don't want to alarm anyone, but I think there are still a few remaining who are not as they appear, but I give you my word, we will work to ferret these persons out, and remove the infection at its root.

I'm going to leave it at that for now. I've put about seven hours into this thread non-stop, and I'm pretty worn out.

Actually, scratch that and listen to Et. He came through tonight. Whereas I'm still DOING IT WRONG.

So I should just shut up until I get my game back.

[Et in Arcadia ego]

The only reassuring aspect of this whole thing is that clearly, only a small minority of the active members here have been involved in or even aware of all the mind-games.

That doesn't do much to mitigate the damage done to them, though, does it?

[Et in Arcadia ego]

Actually, scratch that and listen to Et.

If you really want to know what happened the last month here, this is where its root lies:

http://www.sfbg.com/entry.php?entry_id=8807&catid=85

ALTERNATE REALITY GAMES It starts, as most quests do, with a question. "What the hell?" A flyer advertising the Aquatic Thought Foundation, a division of the Jejune Institute devoted to Human-Dolphin interaction. And even though you're probably the type to resist even the perverse pleasure of sitting through a bullshit Scientologist e-meter reading, something about the prospect of communing with dolphins is absurdly compelling. You call the number. A recondite family awaits.

Founder Octavio Coleman. Really.

So begins stage one of an ongoing self-paced scavenger hunt/walking tour/alternate reality game devised by a pseudonymous cabal of Bay Area artists and pranksters. As anyone with even a passing familiarity with the clumsy graphics and overblown hyperbole of cultist media will recognize, the shadowy overlords behind the Jejune Institute have done their homework well. Their office digs on California Street are pure cult cliché — from the op art adorning the walls to the shelves of new age esoterica and obsolete radio equipment to the videotaped welcome message from Institute founder Octavio Coleman, Esq.

re:

Your free initiation session awaits. To those dark horses with the spirit to look up and see... A recondite family awaits.

http://jejuneinstitute.org/workshop.htm

re:

Finding a more open discussion forum (…)

December 31, 2009 at 4:25 pm (Uncategorized)

To those dark horses with the spirit to look up and see:

“A recondite Family awaits…”

http://kidkenoma.wordpress.com/2009/12/ ... ion-forum/

Class dismissed.

YOUR FUCKING STUPID ARG IS OVER, MISS DELGADO.