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jlaw172364 wrote:Wow. This conversation is still going on. You know, it's a lot easier to agree with whatever people say, but since the social consequences of speaking your mind are nil on here, I may as well.
And I'm sure the people that attack me on here think that only women are being exploited when pornography is made, or that they are the chief victims. It's kind of like saying that pushers, petty peddlers, or other low level drug cartel minions are the primary victims of the drug war, and not the lost souls they sell to.
Krysos wrote:barracuda wrote:Take your inane perspective to a men's rights forum or start your own thread, you misguided individual. You don't even have the wherewithal to defend your own misguided statements, or apparently to even try to. You're disrupting the thread. Get lost, troll. Be gone.
Wherewithal and time are two separate things. I don't react well to condescension and scorn, as I'm sure most people don't. I'm not a troll. I've been reading this forum since 2006 or so and the blog since around 2004 I think. I have no hidden agenda and I'm not some agent of misinformation. I also don't appreciate being called misogynistic or otherwise pigeon-holed. I don't care if you think I'm misguided, but I think it's sad to see that one of the more open forums that I've found is so close minded about certain things as to excuse bullying and name calling. I would much rather see ideas discussed rather than personal rivalries and unfounded accusations.
Krysos wrote:To specifically address the article: Why should I give a shit about some wealthy woman who got offended because some even wealthier man was dismissive of her? She's a published author who can probably afford health insurance and vacations, two things that I cannot. I mean I get that women like you see patriarchy in a U.S. soldiers boot smashing into an Iraqi's face and whatnot, but to me that's just not the case. I'm scared as hell of that boot too, and there's plenty of women out there that like those sort of men. So why is it only men to blame? I honestly just don't get it.
jlaw172364 wrote:Wow. This conversation is still going on. You know, it's a lot easier to agree with whatever people say, but since the social consequences of speaking your mind are nil on here, I may as well.
It's interesting to me that someone would bother to quote a porn star, who makes her living exploiting the hard-wired biological impulses of lonely males staring into their computer screens. The people that bother to go to those events expecting any kind of human connection are mentally ill, but it's still amusing that the exploiter expects to have her cake and eat it too.
It's all very fine and well for the creeps to shell out their money buying her taudry products, but god forbid they actually touch her, even though her product is all about creating the illusion of sexual availability. Can you say occupational hazard, Stoya, I knew you could?
Lumping Stoya in with women who don't do anything remotely resembling soliciting sexual interest does not help the argument.
And I'm sure the people that attack me on here think that only women are being exploited when pornography is made, or that they are the chief victims. It's kind of like saying that pushers, petty peddlers, or other low level drug cartel minions are the primary victims of the drug war, and not the lost souls they sell to.
compared2what? wrote:Krysos wrote:barracuda wrote:Take your inane perspective to a men's rights forum or start your own thread, you misguided individual. You don't even have the wherewithal to defend your own misguided statements, or apparently to even try to. You're disrupting the thread. Get lost, troll. Be gone.
Wherewithal and time are two separate things. I don't react well to condescension and scorn, as I'm sure most people don't. I'm not a troll. I've been reading this forum since 2006 or so and the blog since around 2004 I think. I have no hidden agenda and I'm not some agent of misinformation. I also don't appreciate being called misogynistic or otherwise pigeon-holed. I don't care if you think I'm misguided, but I think it's sad to see that one of the more open forums that I've found is so close minded about certain things as to excuse bullying and name calling. I would much rather see ideas discussed rather than personal rivalries and unfounded accusations.
That's also not fair. I tried to discuss your ideas with you. But when the kind of idea you're offering for discussion is that the thread shows a vicious disregard for male suffering that you can't be bothered to locate or identify when I ask for an example, there's only so much effort you can expect anyone to make.
I mean...Krysos wrote:To specifically address the article: Why should I give a shit about some wealthy woman who got offended because some even wealthier man was dismissive of her? She's a published author who can probably afford health insurance and vacations, two things that I cannot. I mean I get that women like you see patriarchy in a U.S. soldiers boot smashing into an Iraqi's face and whatnot, but to me that's just not the case. I'm scared as hell of that boot too, and there's plenty of women out there that like those sort of men. So why is it only men to blame? I honestly just don't get it.
What, exactly, are the ideas you'd like to see discussed in there? Your indifference to the OP? The imaginary wealth, health insurance and vacations you're foisting off on its author? Your inability to afford the latter two? Your fear of the boot? Your belief that there are women who worship it? Your belief that there are women who scorn it as patriarchal, of whom Willow is one?
Those aren't ideas. They're your feelings. And you definitely have a right to them. But there is a difference.
Krysos wrote:It's pretty hard to discuss ideas when it's a bannable offense, no?
Free and open exchange of ideas are better than dialogue that's restricted based on pre-approved dogma, imo. Of course, the problem with that too is that you can have a bunch of disingenuous commenters resort to personal insults and innuendo in order to undermine any argument counter to what they already believe, or want people to believe. Sadly, that is what it seems like rigint has become on certain issues. It's rather astounding to see such groupthink on a site that's open to at least WONDERING about extra terrestrials, mind control, jellyfish overlords, etc. It reminds me of 2004 when I would try to argue on right wing sites that Ohio was fixed, Diebold is evil etc. Some people that responded were clearly interested in nothing other than managing the perceptions about the matter, rather than the truth of the matter. My general rule of thumb is that the people that can't refrain from name calling are the ones that have the weaker argument, or at least the weakest commitment to civility. There's plenty of examples of name calling in this thread that are easy to see, and apparently, simple to ignore-despite personal insulting of other posters being against the TOS. I remember when name calling actually used to result in some consequences around here.
Not so when it's misogynistic, woman hating, creepy, loser, halfwit fags being called names I suppose.
Krysos wrote:I really don't think it's very conducive to a free and open exchange of ideas when one poster can complain about me violating the TOS and then openly violate the TOS by insulting me just one post later, or whatever it was.
Krysos wrote:You left out this part "Contending that feminism is a "New World Order plot" will not be permitted." An oversight on your part, or just a realization that squelching that kind of idea does kind of stand out on a board that routinely analyzes elitist programming of all kinds?
Keep in mind that I'm not saying it is a New World Order plot, just that it's kind of suspicious that it's not even permitted to be argued (and not just because I could be banned for saying so).
I don't have the capacity to determine whether or not this is malicious or not, but I think it's silly to think that differences between the genders couldn't be manipulated to divide and conquer the plebes just as differences in race, culture, or religion.
I mean just look at the emotions that got worked up in the misogyny thread alone. What was that, 100 pages?
Krysos wrote:As per the insults and TOS violations happening all the time-do you consider this a good thing?
Do you actually think it's something that's done in an unbiased way?
I really don't think it's very conducive to a free and open exchange of ideas when one poster can complain about me violating the TOS and then openly violate the TOS by insulting me just one post later, or whatever it was.
Just read any of a number of responses to jlaw or myself in this thread and see if you can find any that AREN'T basically long drawn out personal insults. Of course YOU don't care if the TOS regarding personal insults are ignored, YOU are part of the majority here and one of the golden children that has a personal connection with the host.
You're not getting banned any time soon no matter what you say or do, most likely. And that is the problem. If one group of posters has more rights that other posters it stifles discussion because the outside group has no reason to expect they will be treated fairly, and the inside group has no reason to curtail their disrespectful behavior.
I suspect you already know this though.
Show me the bad acts. If they're bad, I'll cop to them.
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