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Re: Mansplaining

Postby jlaw172364 » Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:55 am

Oooohh, some anon has the courage to call another anon "creepy" on an online forum! Your medal of valor is in the mail. Why would you even bother? Notice how I never stooped to calling anyone on here names? You know, I KNOW, I'm wasting MY time by commenting on this forum, but do you know that you're wasting yours?

In any case, this research by the Onion support's train lady's POV, so maybe I'm wrong.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/report ... opl,29610/

"In fact, the study confirmed that in 0 percent of cases do individuals ever want to be spoken to by someone they don’t know, and that it is “downright wrong” to put people who are just going about their day in the awkward position of having to be polite and feign interest in what you—an unknown intruder, essentially—are saying.

“We found that the only people it’s appropriate to talk to are friends and relatives—no one else,” the study’s lead author, Dr. Simon Gamble, told reporters, adding that dads, senior citizens, and “people who think they’re being friendly but really need to just mind their own business” are typically guilty of trying to relate to unfamiliar people. “Ninety-five percent of the time, the people being talked to experience an extreme spike in anxiety. The only thoughts going through their heads during these unwanted conversations with strangers are ‘Stop talking to me. I don’t know you. Please go away.’”

Enlarge ImageExperts say something like this, with two people who know each other, is fine.

“If you feel the urge to talk to someone you don’t know, the right thing to do is suppress the impulse and just leave that individual alone,” he continued, adding that cordially smiling at someone you’ve never met is also not okay. “It doesn’t matter if you both happen to be wearing the same T-shirt.”

The report indicates that even in situations in which you might share common circumstances with a stranger—such as when you are both in a long line that doesn’t seem to be moving, or are both experiencing hot, cold, nice, or terrible weather—it is unacceptable to verbally acknowledge that reality. The appropriate thing to do, the report notes, is to face forward and keep silent.

In addition, just because you are sitting next to someone you don’t know on a bus or airplane, that doesn’t give you any right to talk to that person, even if he or she is reading a book you once read. The study goes on to state that talking to an unfamiliar person in a setting where the individual essentially can’t escape the conversation is “one of the cruelest things one human being can do to another human being.”

“Often, the person being talked to will laugh at the other’s jokes,” Gamble said. “This is always fake laughter.”

The study confirmed the following people never want to be spoken to by a stranger: people eating at the same restaurant as you; someone who is wearing a pair of shoes or a hat you like; individuals who are also waiting for the same delayed train; coworkers; a man or woman who is using a laptop you are considering buying for yourself; an individual attending the same sporting event as you; a young person who works at a job you once had years ago; and anyone who has children or pets, especially if you are a person who also has children or pets.

“If you are an outgoing individual who likes striking up conversations with strangers, you are a source of constant discomfort in this world, and have nothing to offer but anxiety and pain,” said Dr. Andrea Malcolm, chair of the Department of Psychiatry and Human Behavior at Brown University. “People don’t care that you once owned the same car or cellular phone as them, or that you loved it. They don’t care about your opinion one way or the other. They just want you to stop making their lives a living hell.”

“To them,” Malcolm continued, “you might as well be a crazy person, because why are you talking to someone you don’t even know?”

According to the report, the people who are living correctly are those who don’t want to step outside their comfort zones and relate to others.

“Your comfort zone is there for a reason,” Gamble said. “It’s so you can stay comfortable. If someone breaches that by saying hello to you, that person is the asshole, not you. Remember that.”


This probably encapsulates the REAL worldview of the train-lady with on significant caveat: if the person thinks that there is some social advantage to be gained by talking to you, then they WANT you to initiate the conversation with them. And that's the real worldview of most people: they only want to fraternize with their perceived social betters so they can climb up the ladder, thus leading to an arms race of image manipulation and perception management by those who can afford to do so, and social signalling through consumer purchases. That's why train lady didn't care about the solicitousness of the businessman in the nice suit, also known as the "real" man, who by the way, was a COMPLETE STRANGER to her, yet her opinion of him was favorable because of, what's that, he assumed an air of politeness and concern? He could have been Patrick Bateman, but her article revealed her to be utterly ignorant to that possibility. Where was the condemnation for him for trying to capitalize on her plight by playing the role of knight in shining armor, a role not possible without the role of creep played by the other men?
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Re: Mansplaining

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:31 am

What is wrong with you, jlaw? Why are you still on at such length to spin the story of the woman on the train (typical, whether or not specifically true!) into some completely opposite caricature (possible, but far from typical). It's a few sentences and look at the effort you've invested. Why?
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Re: Mansplaining

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:20 am

Did he just Onion himself?

I think he just Onion'd himself.

Did that really happen?
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Re: Mansplaining

Postby The Consul » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:26 pm

The Underground Man would have been ruined by this had he not been able to avoid it.
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Re: Mansplaining

Postby compared2what? » Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:40 pm

jlaw172364 wrote:Wow. This conversation is still going on. You know, it's a lot easier to agree with whatever people say, but since the social consequences of speaking your mind are nil on here, I may as well.


jlaw, I'm not saying this in anger, but I am saying it with some real feeling for you, me, and the board. Okay? Here we go:

That insinuation (ie -- that you're punished for speaking your mind) is NOT FAIR to the people you're implicating, including me. How it works is that when you speak your mind, if I disagree with you, I speak mine. Or vice versa. But after the ninth or tenth time that you've flagrantly ignored other people's good-faith (and less good-faith) attempts to explain to you why what you're saying is factually wrong, and/or unreasonable, and/or vicious, offensive and hurtful, there are usually a few social consequences.

Those rules are the same for everybody. If you don't flagrantly ignore stuff that it's ordinarily reasonable and considerate to acknowledge, it won't happen. That doesn't mean there might not still be social consequences for saying stuff other people don't care to hear, though. For example, if you try to engage their arguments honestly, people might begin systematically attacking you personally for writing lengthy posts. Or you might begin to see suggestions that you're bossy, arrogant and mean popping up all over the place, entirely without citation, reference or example. Which makes it difficult to self-correct. And so on.

In short: Everybody lives with the consequences of what they say or do, here and elsewhere, all the time. And that's often both unpleasant and, in some sense, unjust. But as long as there's an even playing field, I don't really see what the point of complaining about it is. I mean, as I understand it, in a discussion among peers, everybody actually is responsible for the consequences of what they say and do.

Unless it's a discussion among babies who are peers or something. Obviously. But we're all grown-ups.

Anyway. I'm sorry if you're feeling shunned. Please don't.

And I'm sure the people that attack me on here think that only women are being exploited when pornography is made, or that they are the chief victims. It's kind of like saying that pushers, petty peddlers, or other low level drug cartel minions are the primary victims of the drug war, and not the lost souls they sell to.


No. Come on, jlaw. Think it through. "I'm sure the people that attack me on here think"? You might as well just lead by saying you don't have a winning argument.
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Re: Mansplaining

Postby compared2what? » Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:02 pm

Krysos wrote:
barracuda wrote:Take your inane perspective to a men's rights forum or start your own thread, you misguided individual. You don't even have the wherewithal to defend your own misguided statements, or apparently to even try to. You're disrupting the thread. Get lost, troll. Be gone.


Wherewithal and time are two separate things. I don't react well to condescension and scorn, as I'm sure most people don't. I'm not a troll. I've been reading this forum since 2006 or so and the blog since around 2004 I think. I have no hidden agenda and I'm not some agent of misinformation. I also don't appreciate being called misogynistic or otherwise pigeon-holed. I don't care if you think I'm misguided, but I think it's sad to see that one of the more open forums that I've found is so close minded about certain things as to excuse bullying and name calling. I would much rather see ideas discussed rather than personal rivalries and unfounded accusations.


That's also not fair. I tried to discuss your ideas with you. But when the kind of idea you're offering for discussion is that the thread shows a vicious disregard for male suffering that you can't be bothered to locate or identify when I ask for an example, there's only so much effort you can expect anyone to make.

I mean...

Krysos wrote:To specifically address the article: Why should I give a shit about some wealthy woman who got offended because some even wealthier man was dismissive of her? She's a published author who can probably afford health insurance and vacations, two things that I cannot. I mean I get that women like you see patriarchy in a U.S. soldiers boot smashing into an Iraqi's face and whatnot, but to me that's just not the case. I'm scared as hell of that boot too, and there's plenty of women out there that like those sort of men. So why is it only men to blame? I honestly just don't get it.


What, exactly, are the ideas you'd like to see discussed in there? Your indifference to the OP? The imaginary wealth, health insurance and vacations you're foisting off on its author? Your inability to afford the latter two? Your fear of the boot? Your belief that there are women who worship it? Your belief that there are women who scorn it as patriarchal, of whom Willow is one?

Those aren't ideas. They're your feelings. And you definitely have a right to them. But there is a difference.
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Re: Mansplaining

Postby compared2what? » Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:55 pm

jlaw172364 wrote:Wow. This conversation is still going on. You know, it's a lot easier to agree with whatever people say, but since the social consequences of speaking your mind are nil on here, I may as well.


Okay! I'll respond, on the terms outlined in my second-to-last post.

It's interesting to me that someone would bother to quote a porn star, who makes her living exploiting the hard-wired biological impulses of lonely males staring into their computer screens. The people that bother to go to those events expecting any kind of human connection are mentally ill, but it's still amusing that the exploiter expects to have her cake and eat it too.


She has sex for money professionally, of her own volition. Unless you're saying that you think that it's reasonable for guys to therefore expect her to make herself sexually available for free at all times and under all circumstances -- including "instantly, the second she passes one of them in a crowd" -- I'm not sure how or why you think it's having her cake and eating it too for her to object to being assaulted.

I'd say that lonely males staring into a computer screen while obeying their hard-wired biological impulses have free will and are exercising it. You seem to be suggesting something else with which I'd very strongly disagree if I was sure you meant it. But I'm not. Because it sure as hell wouldn't be a very flattering reflection on males if you were. In fact, I'd say it would be insulting, offensive and outrageous. Personally.

It's all very fine and well for the creeps to shell out their money buying her taudry products, but god forbid they actually touch her, even though her product is all about creating the illusion of sexual availability. Can you say occupational hazard, Stoya, I knew you could?


Once again: She has sex for money, professionally, of her own volition. Men (and maybe some women) get off on watching her do that, of their own volition. Everybody is completely and totally aware that those are the terms. (Unless, again, you're suggesting that men are biologically hard-wired to be incapable of remaining oriented to reality and in their right minds when aroused, which I would find offensive and insulting to men.)

She's a person. She has the same rights as all people.

Lumping Stoya in with women who don't do anything remotely resembling soliciting sexual interest does not help the argument.


I sincerely don't see why she isn't in the same category as all other women. I mean, sometimes women do things that resemble soliciting sexual interest. And sometimes they don't. Same for men. That's not a crime or moral failing. It's one of the ways people show that they're interested in sex. When they are. It doesn't mean they always are.

And I'm sure the people that attack me on here think that only women are being exploited when pornography is made, or that they are the chief victims. It's kind of like saying that pushers, petty peddlers, or other low level drug cartel minions are the primary victims of the drug war, and not the lost souls they sell to.


There was a really, really long thread about porn here a while ago that was actually mostly about what effect it had on consumers for pages and pages before the exploitation of sex workers became a significant part of it. And most of the people who disagree with you now posted to it, IIRC.

So I think you're wrong.
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Re: Mansplaining

Postby Krysos » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:46 pm

compared2what? wrote:
Krysos wrote:
barracuda wrote:Take your inane perspective to a men's rights forum or start your own thread, you misguided individual. You don't even have the wherewithal to defend your own misguided statements, or apparently to even try to. You're disrupting the thread. Get lost, troll. Be gone.


Wherewithal and time are two separate things. I don't react well to condescension and scorn, as I'm sure most people don't. I'm not a troll. I've been reading this forum since 2006 or so and the blog since around 2004 I think. I have no hidden agenda and I'm not some agent of misinformation. I also don't appreciate being called misogynistic or otherwise pigeon-holed. I don't care if you think I'm misguided, but I think it's sad to see that one of the more open forums that I've found is so close minded about certain things as to excuse bullying and name calling. I would much rather see ideas discussed rather than personal rivalries and unfounded accusations.


That's also not fair. I tried to discuss your ideas with you. But when the kind of idea you're offering for discussion is that the thread shows a vicious disregard for male suffering that you can't be bothered to locate or identify when I ask for an example, there's only so much effort you can expect anyone to make.

I mean...

Krysos wrote:To specifically address the article: Why should I give a shit about some wealthy woman who got offended because some even wealthier man was dismissive of her? She's a published author who can probably afford health insurance and vacations, two things that I cannot. I mean I get that women like you see patriarchy in a U.S. soldiers boot smashing into an Iraqi's face and whatnot, but to me that's just not the case. I'm scared as hell of that boot too, and there's plenty of women out there that like those sort of men. So why is it only men to blame? I honestly just don't get it.


What, exactly, are the ideas you'd like to see discussed in there? Your indifference to the OP? The imaginary wealth, health insurance and vacations you're foisting off on its author? Your inability to afford the latter two? Your fear of the boot? Your belief that there are women who worship it? Your belief that there are women who scorn it as patriarchal, of whom Willow is one?

Those aren't ideas. They're your feelings. And you definitely have a right to them. But there is a difference.


It's pretty hard to discuss ideas when it's a bannable offense, no? Free and open exchange of ideas are better than dialogue that's restricted based on pre-approved dogma, imo. Of course, the problem with that too is that you can have a bunch of disingenuous commenters resort to personal insults and innuendo in order to undermine any argument counter to what they already believe, or want people to believe. Sadly, that is what it seems like rigint has become on certain issues. It's rather astounding to see such groupthink on a site that's open to at least WONDERING about extra terrestrials, mind control, jellyfish overlords, etc. It reminds me of 2004 when I would try to argue on right wing sites that Ohio was fixed, Diebold is evil etc. Some people that responded were clearly interested in nothing other than managing the perceptions about the matter, rather than the truth of the matter. My general rule of thumb is that the people that can't refrain from name calling are the ones that have the weaker argument, or at least the weakest commitment to civility. There's plenty of examples of name calling in this thread that are easy to see, and apparently, simple to ignore-despite personal insulting of other posters being against the TOS. I remember when name calling actually used to result in some consequences around here. Not so when it's misogynistic, woman hating, creepy, loser, halfwit fags being called names I suppose.
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Re: Mansplaining

Postby DrEvil » Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:41 pm

Not that I pay much attention to these things, but last time I checked women didn't go on the subway to pick up men, so if you see a woman by herself, reading a book, listening to music and wearing a wedding ring, how about just leaving her the fuck alone?
Or better yet - If you see a woman on the subway in general - just leave her the fuck alone. Odds are she's not there to find Prince Charming.
Same thing goes for pretty much anywhere people don't go to date. Seriously - how hard can that be to understand?
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Re: Mansplaining

Postby compared2what? » Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:23 pm

Krysos wrote:It's pretty hard to discuss ideas when it's a bannable offense, no?


No. Ideas are not a bannable offense here. Per the posting guidelines, you're expected to "respect the rights of women to justice and equality in all spheres of life, and to a positive experience of RI." And here's what that means:

You know how you get to express your fear of (let's say) the boot whenever and however you want to with a reasonable presumption that others will be considerate enough not to spend pages haranguing you with suggestions that you quit whining about your victim fantasies, and/or demands that you produce some evidence that the boot is really threatening you, and/or insinuations that your fears and your kind just aren't welcome here, and/or anything of the kind?

Well, theoretically, per the guidelines, women get the same consideration. If you have a grievance with that, you're free to make your best case for it, as far as I know. But it doesn't actually seem like you're laboring under much of an imposition to me.

Free and open exchange of ideas are better than dialogue that's restricted based on pre-approved dogma, imo. Of course, the problem with that too is that you can have a bunch of disingenuous commenters resort to personal insults and innuendo in order to undermine any argument counter to what they already believe, or want people to believe. Sadly, that is what it seems like rigint has become on certain issues. It's rather astounding to see such groupthink on a site that's open to at least WONDERING about extra terrestrials, mind control, jellyfish overlords, etc. It reminds me of 2004 when I would try to argue on right wing sites that Ohio was fixed, Diebold is evil etc. Some people that responded were clearly interested in nothing other than managing the perceptions about the matter, rather than the truth of the matter. My general rule of thumb is that the people that can't refrain from name calling are the ones that have the weaker argument, or at least the weakest commitment to civility. There's plenty of examples of name calling in this thread that are easy to see, and apparently, simple to ignore-despite personal insulting of other posters being against the TOS. I remember when name calling actually used to result in some consequences around here.


I'm still not getting where the imposition/restriction/dogmatic censorship is happening. I guess I'll ask again:

What are the ideas you're being prevented from discussing?

Not so when it's misogynistic, woman hating, creepy, loser, halfwit fags being called names I suppose.


You seem to have some specific instance of name-calling in mind. Maybe you should address it directly. I usually try to, when I see something more unfortunate than it has to be going down. But you could also just narc the offenders out to the mods, I guess. I've never done it. But that's not because I don't trust them. It's just not my style.

Apart from that, I don't know what to say. Unremarked, unpunished violations of the guidelines happen around here all the time. That's the rule, not the exception. I prefer it that way, personally. It's better for the free and open exchange of ideas.

Some of those would be nice, if you're going to respond, btw. Because I'm very sorry that you're grouchy about something, of course. But I can't really dedicate an epistolary novel's worth of responses to it without knowing what it is. I mean, I know that your account was suspended. But presumably that wasn't so very traumatic that you'll never recover from it. And now you're back. So it wasn't all that oppressive either.

...

The ideas you feel are being squelched. That's what I need.
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Re: Mansplaining

Postby Krysos » Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:55 pm

You left out this part "Contending that feminism is a "New World Order plot" will not be permitted." An oversight on your part, or just a realization that squelching that kind of idea does kind of stand out on a board that routinely analyzes elitist programming of all kinds? Keep in mind that I'm not saying it is a New World Order plot, just that it's kind of suspicious that it's not even permitted to be argued (and not just because I could be banned for saying so). I don't have the capacity to determine whether or not this is malicious or not, but I think it's silly to think that differences between the genders couldn't be manipulated to divide and conquer the plebes just as differences in race, culture, or religion. I mean just look at the emotions that got worked up in the misogyny thread alone. What was that, 100 pages?

As per the insults and TOS violations happening all the time-do you consider this a good thing? Do you actually think it's something that's done in an unbiased way? I really don't think it's very conducive to a free and open exchange of ideas when one poster can complain about me violating the TOS and then openly violate the TOS by insulting me just one post later, or whatever it was. Just read any of a number of responses to jlaw or myself in this thread and see if you can find any that AREN'T basically long drawn out personal insults. Of course YOU don't care if the TOS regarding personal insults are ignored, YOU are part of the majority here and one of the golden children that has a personal connection with the host. You're not getting banned any time soon no matter what you say or do, most likely. And that is the problem. If one group of posters has more rights that other posters it stifles discussion because the outside group has no reason to expect they will be treated fairly, and the inside group has no reason to curtail their disrespectful behavior. I suspect you already know this though.
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Re: Mansplaining

Postby DrVolin » Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:36 pm

Krysos wrote:I really don't think it's very conducive to a free and open exchange of ideas when one poster can complain about me violating the TOS and then openly violate the TOS by insulting me just one post later, or whatever it was.


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Re: Mansplaining

Postby compared2what? » Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:46 pm

Krysos wrote:You left out this part "Contending that feminism is a "New World Order plot" will not be permitted." An oversight on your part, or just a realization that squelching that kind of idea does kind of stand out on a board that routinely analyzes elitist programming of all kinds?


Neither. I left it out because as long as the words "feminism is a New World Order plot" aren't used -- which the last four generally wouldn't be here in connection with anything anyway -- that argument's not only been permitted but made pretty often since those guidelines were instituted. I think Stephen Morgan might have gotten called out for it once, the forty-somethingth time he said it. But it usually gets by. So I figured it would be better not to borrow trouble by calling attention to it.

Keep in mind that I'm not saying it is a New World Order plot, just that it's kind of suspicious that it's not even permitted to be argued (and not just because I could be banned for saying so).


If you suspect Jeff of putting it off limits in order to wreak dissension in....I don't know what, actually. In the incipient dissident underground movement that might otherwise spring up on a public discussion board? But "dissension in whatever," let's say, I'm not sure I understand what you think you're accomplishing by picking fights over nothing in particular on threads dedicated to feminism after they'd already been concluded fairly harmoniously. It seems kind of suspicious.

I don't have the capacity to determine whether or not this is malicious or not, but I think it's silly to think that differences between the genders couldn't be manipulated to divide and conquer the plebes just as differences in race, culture, or religion.


Of course they could be. And if you have any examples of that happening, or see any here, you're free to address them however you see fit. Because it's obviously up to the plebes to prevent and remain watchful for that sort of thing. But just because something could be manipulated doesn't mean that it is every time you see it, be reasonable. I mean, how do you know the elites are going to pick feminism and not the equally-if-not-more divisive subject of religion for their divide-and-conquer wedge issue?

Unless you feel the need to suspect every post Hammer of Los makes that mentions religious faith on the grounds that it's potentially a divisive issue, I don't see why you should feel it about feminism. Basically. Use some common-sense discretion.

I mean just look at the emotions that got worked up in the misogyny thread alone. What was that, 100 pages?


Yep. But what's your point? Where was the damage? What was lost there from the people's palace of unity that shall never be regained? It was a contentious thread. But that's not all it was. Some useful communication occurred. Some fun was had. It was, you know, a thread. That's all.
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Re: Mansplaining

Postby compared2what? » Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:26 pm

Krysos wrote:As per the insults and TOS violations happening all the time-do you consider this a good thing?


I don't like to see people get bullied and abused. And I especially don't like to see people get kicked when they're down. But I'd rather be a part of a community in which everyone felt enough trust to speak up when they were hurt or angry than one that was carefully overseen by the nanny state the mods.

I'm probably not the best person to ask, though. I take a lot of shit that I never respond to and don't, strictly speaking, really deserve. (Not counterpunches, but opening punches, I mean.) It's usually pretty hurtful. And sometimes brutal. But I can also usually see why the person is angry. And I always feel bad about that. Because it's never what I intended. So I figure that in some cosmic sense, I do deserve to take it, in exchange for having misjudged what whoever I offended could take. I mean, obviously, if there's something I can make amends for or retract, I do that. But sometimes it's just a reprisal for being right, in which case taking it seems like the best available civic option.

Insults are not good. But as I said earlier, we're all grown-ups here. There's a difference between some name-calling during a heated dispute and harassment. A big difference.

Do you actually think it's something that's done in an unbiased way?


Yes. As far as I've ever seen, it is.

I really don't think it's very conducive to a free and open exchange of ideas when one poster can complain about me violating the TOS and then openly violate the TOS by insulting me just one post later, or whatever it was.


How not? Unless you were in some way too devastated by being callled a dick to continue talking, I'd say not much harm was done. Your account suspension was for trying to harangue women and wimmie-sympathizers into shutting up and dropping an entire topic of discussion, in effect. That clearly has an inherently chilling effect on speech that individual name-calling does not.

Just read any of a number of responses to jlaw or myself in this thread and see if you can find any that AREN'T basically long drawn out personal insults. Of course YOU don't care if the TOS regarding personal insults are ignored, YOU are part of the majority here and one of the golden children that has a personal connection with the host.


No I don't.

I've read the thread. A lot of offensive stuff was said. If I'd had a problem with it, I would have said so. You're free to do the same. And so is jlaw.

You're not getting banned any time soon no matter what you say or do, most likely. And that is the problem. If one group of posters has more rights that other posters it stifles discussion because the outside group has no reason to expect they will be treated fairly, and the inside group has no reason to curtail their disrespectful behavior.


Honestly, I do not. As far as I know, I very rarely say anything to anybody here in terms that are any more hostile than the ones that are absolutely par-for-the-course for practically everyone on the board. .

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Krysos. No offense. But there's a really ugly implication (more than an implication, really) about me in there. And you're not offering any support for the allegation at all. If you want justice of some kind, what do you expect me to do about it, based on that? Do you not find the conviction-without-trial of other people for unspecified crimes of thuggery, favoritism, and discussion-stifling as suspect as feminism, wrt its dissension-sowing potential? Or what?

Show me the bad acts. If they're bad, I'll cop to them. As you say yourself so well:

I suspect you already know this though.
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Re: Mansplaining

Postby compared2what? » Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:37 pm

JUST TO BE CLEAR:

Show me the bad acts. If they're bad, I'll cop to them.


I mean: In the future.

It wasn't an invitation for cherry-picking every post I've ever made for the stuff that sounds the most abusive out-of-context.

But anyone who has a problem with me over water-under-the-bridge that they can't resolve can let me know via PM. If they want.
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