Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris hostage

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Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:17 pm

THE YOUNG ARABS

A very short play

The scene: Outside a mosque in London

AHMED: "Hey guys, let's form a gang! Let's all blow ourselves up together!"

AMIR: "Great idea!"

ALI: "Great idea! But wait a minute .. I''m cricket captain and the team needs me. And I'm only 18. And I've not even had sex yet."

AHMED: "Neither have I, but so what?

AMIR: "I have. The baby's due in June."

ALI: "...and... and ... I promised my kid brother I'd teach him some karate moves. And my mum expects me to go to unive.."

AHMED: "What the hell! It'll be a blast! And Allah is bound to approve!"

ALI: "All right, you've convinced me! Let's do it! Allahu Akbar!"

AMIR: "Viva la muerte. Let's roll."


The End

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Truly a breed part. Will we ever fathom them? They're not like us at all.
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Postby AlicetheKurious » Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:25 pm

FourthBase » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:09 pm wrote:So, no fascistic Shiite cults exist?
Isn't one in control of Iran?

Or are all Russian allies defined more generously?
(Hamas and Hezbollah not being terrorists, etc.)

But, so, anyway, anything evil ever associated with Islam in the last 100 years has been an Anglo-American-Israeli illusion? Those omnipotent bastards! :tear


One of the most important and sacred principles in international law is the sovereignty of states, and the prohibition against interference in their internal affairs. Whether or not I, or even most of the world, defines the Iranian or the Israeli or the American, or any government as "fascistic" is totally irrelevant.

The only ones who have the right to determine their government, and to overthrow it if they see fit, are its subjects, the people under its rule. International law forbids countries from overthrowing another country's government, or trying to impose one. Any invasion of a country's legal borders, either directly or through the use of proxy forces to impose one state's will on another is a war crime, and a violation of its sovereignty.

The "Muslim" Brotherhood is such a proxy, an instrument of empire, and was established by the British Suez Canal Authority in 1928 for this purpose. Its administrative center is currently headquartered in London, with a financial empire since the 1950s based in Geneva, Switzerland and Frankfurt, Germany. There are persistent rumors that the very highest-level initiates are inducted in New York City, but given the nature of the cult, this has never been proven. Its structure is highly secretive and masonic-like, with its highest levels -- those who issue the orders which must be strictly and unquestioningly obeyed -- shrouded in mystery. Its very rigid hierarchical system and the orders issued to followers are often diametrically opposed to the most sacred principles of Islam, but its members are raised, usually from childhood, not to think, not to question, and not to develop their own understanding of their faith through reading and exploration (a direct violation of core Islamic principles as explicitly stated in the Qur'an).

They are raised to believe that the Brotherhood is Islam, and to place loyalty and obedience to the Brotherhood above everything else. One of the central teachings of its cult is that one's country is of no value whatsoever ("a quantity of dirt"), and that loyalty to one's nation is a form of idolatry and therefore a mortal sin. Throughout its history, this absence of loyalty or attachment to any country has made its operatives easily transportable from one country/region to another, and its core tenet of obedience has made it easy to direct from one "cause" to another. It has been used to engage in covert subversion of Arab and majority-Muslim states on behalf of its imperialist handlers, and has often used these states as bases from which to recruit and transport fighters to attack other states targeted by the British/US/Zionist empire.

In the mid-1970s, the Muslim Brotherhood began to spawn offshoots under various names, within and among different countries first in the Arab world, then regionally in the Middle East, eventually spreading to east Asia, Africa, Europe and North America, where they established new bases. This process continued through the 1980s, when Israeli intelligence set up Hamas to sabotage the Palestinian and Arab nationalist movement, and accelerated during the 1990s, but has reached a dizzying rate since 2005. Most of these offshoots have identified themselves as "Islamist", but not all. Some have recruited collaborators from across the political/ideological spectrum to act as front-men. Alternatively, Brotherhood members have infiltrated and subverted organizations and institutions that have no overt ties to the Brotherhood. In some cases, Brotherhood "sleepers" have even successfully posed as Marxists or liberals for years. Especially since the first decade of the 21st century, the Brotherhood itself, or the intelligence agencies that run it, have set up a huge number of NGO's and "civil society" organizations under various names and guises. One crucial function of these covertly affiliated agencies is to help to market and promote the Brotherhood itself and/or its subsidiaries, and to counter any denunciation against the Brotherhood from a supposedly neutral or objective or even sympathetic point of view to that of the attacker. Another is to attack the Brotherhood as a "Muslim" organization, and the Islamic faith, thus provoking a sympathetic backlash against those who are revolted by religious persecution and racism, and at the same time promoting anti-Muslim xenophobia among other target groups.

The diversity is completely illusory: above a certain very basic level, key individuals, fighters and other personnel, services, money and weapons flow freely between them, and the mission is ultimately that of MB's globalist masters: to undermine and fragment and eventually to destroy nation-states and to discredit the very concept of national borders, sovereignty and self-determination. Similarly, it is the same transnational financial/criminal/intelligence network that supports them and provides political and legal and logistical cover for, and facilitates, their operations in various countries, including in Europe and North America. Their operations also benefit from financing and other support by puppet regimes of the US/British/Zionist empire, whether willingly or under duress. These offshoots emerge or disappear depending on the narrative that is most useful to at a particular moment.

The secretive nature of the organization, its access to money and the globalist network that supports it also allow it to project its membership as much, much larger than it is in reality. Its actual members, those who have been initiated into the Brotherhood and risen through the "levels" are relatively very few. The vast majority of its supposed members are actually outsiders who either have fallen for the Brotherhood's propaganda, or who collaborate for mercenary or other venal reasons, or alienated individuals who want to belong. At the very bottom of the pile are society's rejects, who are also very useful: those broken, mentally-ill, drug-addicted or desperately lonely people, often very young, who are picked up, used and discarded, tiny pieces in a war they cannot begin to understand. All ultimately serve the same masters, and all are useful to the US/British/Zionist intelligence services who are, in a very real way, themselves only cogs in a much bigger machine.
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Postby 82_28 » Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:26 pm

What about the 7/11 bombings in Mumbai in 2006? I "got" the "joke" as soon as it crossed my screen.
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:48 pm

stoneonstone » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:10 pm wrote:I do find that MacCruiskeen, Project Willow and Elvis are correctly viewing along the suicide bomber axis. Something is off...first apparent in the London bombers, who definitely seemed to be unfortunate patsies.

The idea that the Stade bombers were waiting for someone, or something, in 'safe' locations, which never arrived, and then detonated, seems the most likely scenario. We have no video, which seems odd, and the lack of casualties is extraordinary. I expect actuaries to now publish new tables showing the safest place in the world to be when a 'suicide bomb' goes off is Paris.

The lack of video all around would make sense in 1995, not now. The description I think from the Guardian of the Mercedes travelling gunmen reads like professional mercenaries. The kill, or cull, was carefully controlled.

The bombs were important stampeding details or flavouring....down to the 'threat' to Hollande.

The emergency response drill and coincidental scenario was to make sure there was a reasonable limit to the mayhem, however that is decided - the teams would be in peak readiness, and I believe many were still on shift.

What smells so terrible is the MSM stampede to have anchors/reporters in Paris all week reporting (CBC and NPR have done this - don't think they are volunteering to go to Mali though)...to neatly close the scenario - Mastermind dead, Emergency Powers safely enacted: all is well, go home now.

Just like the weekend regicide play in Dallas, that ended, all neatly tied up, three days later in time for Kennedy's funeral Monday.

They may not be great writers, our master's servants, but they do have the ability to craft scenarios that work on the majority.


Thanks for that. Admirably succinct. It's either a Strategy of Tension job of that ilk, or else an amazing number of young Muslims really are unfathomably stupid and savage haters of life (including their own), not just in Paris, but in London and New York and god knows where else.

Suicide bombing is conceivable and even understandable if carried out by a single desperate, enraged individual who had, say, lost his entire family to a US drone attack. Or a despairing, humilated Palestinian might pull a knife on an Israeli guard. Or a solitary grandiose psychopath like Breivik might risk death while making himself immortal as Avenger of the West.

But four, five, nineteen ordinary young men, all in a gang, calmly slaughtering themselves and random civilians, regardless of their own personal circumstances? Regardless of the blatantly-obvious consequences for their loved ones and for the Arab world as a whole? Bullshit. The nineteen "9/11 hijackers" were all young educated middle-class men from prosperous or wealthy families, nearly all Saudi, and they all had excellent prospects and the likelihood of pleasant and productive lives.

Comparisons with, say, Japanese kamikaze pilots or old Germanic berserkers, or WWI troops going over-the-top -- these are neither useful nor illuminating. Entirely different pressures apply in actual armies, especially in actual wartime.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:50 pm

Getting Their Attention
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By Gordon. Published on November 19, 2015. 19
Magic is all about getting ‘their’ attention.

I’ve been rolling this description around and around in my head since Chris said it during his recent appearance on THC. Because I think it might be remarkable.

At first glance, it may look like a rephrase of the oft-used metaphor that grimoire magic in particular is a form of cosmic room service. Whilst such a pejorative metaphor certainly can be justified as a description of unsophisticated grimoire magic, getting their attention encompasses both this and… everything else. Everything from abduction to sacrifice to whatever was going on here. It models intentional and unintentional magic.

It also, as Chris points out, models why magical results tend to fall into two camps:

Nothing happens: Failed to gain attention.
Entirely unexpected results, very often in face-meltingly weird situations: Gained attention. (Before moving on, consider the alarmingly high cancer rates among ufologists and paranormal researchers in light of the Classical Greek goetes‘ obsession with purification and expunging miasma.)
Visualise the tableau in this translation of The Third Hymn to Inanna: The Holy One, with ‘getting their attention’ in mind having also just followed the previous link about Dubai Atlantis.

The people of Sumer parade before you.
They play the sweet ala drums before you.
The people of Sumer parade before you.

I say “Hail!” to Inanna, Great Lady of Heaven!

They beat the holy drums and timpani before you.
The people of Sumer parade before you.

I say “Hail!” to Inanna, Great Lady of Heaven!

They play the holy harp and timpani before you.
The people of Sumer parade before you.

I say “Hail!” to Inanna, First Daughter of the Moon!

The male prostitutes comb their hair before you.
They decorate the napes of their necks with coloured scarfs,
They drape the cloak of the gods about their shoulders.
The righteous man and woman walk before you.
They hold the soothing harp by their sides.
Those who follow wear the sword belt.
They grasp the spear in their hands.

The people of Sumer parade before you.

The women adorn their right side with men’s clothing.
The people of Sumer parade before you.

I say “Hail!” to Inanna, Great Lady of Heaven!

The men adorn their left side with women’s clothing.
The people of Sumer parade before you.

I say “Hail!” to Inanna, Great Lady of Heaven!

The people compete with jump ropes and coloured cords.
The people of Sumer parade before you.

I say “Hail!” to Inanna, First Daughter of the Moon!

The young men, who carry hoops, sing to you.
The maidens and coiffured priestesses walk before you,
They carry the sword and the double-edged axe.
The ascending kugarra priests raise their swords before you.
The priest, who covers his sword with blood, sprinkles blood,
He sprinkles blood over the throne of the court chamber.
The tigi-drum, the sem-drum and the ala-tambourine resound!

In the heavens, the Holy One appears alone.

My Lady looks in sweet wonder from heaven.
She looks in sweet wonder on all the lands
And on the people of Sumer as numerous as sheep.


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Staying with the broad theme, Peter Grey republished one of his earlier essays on Babalon today, and this particular quotation is on point.

In the West we have been prone to treating goddesses as psychological constructs, and smudging the lines of kohl or chalk to suit our own designs. This too is a genuine attempt by a secular and disconnected culture to find a way back to magick. The revival of the grimoire tradition shows that an awareness is returning to magicians that the spirits are real and through trafficking with them, the world can be re-enchanted.
Trafficking with the spirits. We turn now to fiction, specifically Kate Griffin’s wonderful London novel, A Madness of Angels.

There is the story of the Bag Lady.

She isn’t simply a bag lady – a lady who carries plastic bags of the strangest scrounged items she can get her hands on – she is The Bag Lady, the queen of all those who scuttle in the night, gibbering to themselves, and the voices only they can hear. She is the mistress of the mad old women in their slippers who ride the buses from terminal to terminal, she is the patron of the scrapyard girls who play with the rats, she is the lady of all dirty puddles. She has been in the city since the first old woman left alone in the dark decided to tell the dark why she was crying, and she is, of course, myth, and no one believes a word of it, including me.

However, when the pigeons were nested for the night, it was to the Bag Lady that my gran would always offer her prayers.
Grant Morrison’s Nameless relates a similar tale of attention/contact.

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There is a post sitting in my drafts about mind control, which I had started on Friday evening prior to the Paris attacks. It was an elaboration on something I said to Mikey during our recent chat about how I’m not sure where the mid-twentieth-century shadow state ‘consciousness tech’ went, because it hasn’t started reappearing in the real economy the way other shadow technologies such as NASA’s new EmDrive has. Or most technology, frankly. Found this via Jay. Everything in your iPhone came from military tech (and was then assembled by slaves):

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I actually think the consciousness tech has resurfaced/is resurfacing, and its principal vectors are pharma -the US is 5% of the world’s population and consumes 80% of its prescription psychotropics- and broadcast technology. I think the broad Manchurian strategy of de-patterning and then re-patterning individuals is being deployed at scale via a combination of brutal, overt broadcast imagery, hidden brain entrainment technology and psychiatric medication.

But the time isn’t right for a number of reasons. Firstly, the response to Paris has either been a frenetic adoption of a full fearporn agenda or shrill protestations of ‘false flag’… and it is precisely this barrage from both ends of the spectrum that is the broadcast equivalent of Ewan Cameron’s MKULTRA experiments with electroshock therapy on the brain… people are so punchdrunk they can no longer discern reality… and that’s by design. (Hence ‘maintaining one’s coherence‘…. it rebuilds what the media seeks to bring down.) It’s much easier to convince you to do or be something when your grip on the real is so tenuous.

The second reason is although we seem to have reached peak ‘minority olympics’ with various agent provocateur’d campus groups tweeting the hashtag #fuckparis and comparing their lack of government funded safe spaces to crawling out from under the bloodied corpse of your husband and running for your life away from kalashnikov fire as being equal acts of ‘terrorism’… their windbagging hasn’t quite starved enough oxygen out of their own room for us to have a frank discussion about how this is exactly the sort of mind controlled nonsense I’m talking about: It is the complete inability to achieve perspective or discern reality… or even the idea that a trending topic on twitter isn’t actually reality… or that two things can happen in the world at once. Demographics, such as university students, that previously would unify around a vocal anti-war agenda are now accusing each other of being rapists and racists and this absurd behaviour is attracting the ire and disdain of the rest of society… thus are we all divided and conquered.

However, I do want to lift from the abandoned post two quotes from the second volume of Jacques Vallee’s journals, because they speak to how these two lines of enquiry -getting ‘attention’ and the general state of the world- intersect. The first is where he says -writing in the seventies and thus never having read his Red Book- that Jung doesn’t go far enough. This is how Inanna and the Bag Lady are both ‘things’.

Jung’s Memoirs summarize his theories on the collective unconscious. Because of the breakthroughs of science he is “seized with secret shudders and dark forebodings.” At stake here, he says, is a long-forgotten thing, the soul of Man. Who is in charge of it? […] Is it not in the name of the soul of man that “good” Christians, “good” Hindus and “good” Muslims are busy building atom bombs? The problem goes deeper than Carl Jung himself is willing to look.
The Mind War currently being waged -in addition to the actual war- against the entire planet, intentionally or not, is one giant game of ‘getting something’s attention’. And I mean that literally:

The existence and importance of similarity in vibration has also popped up in psi experiments. For example, individuals gifted at psychokinesis — the ability to affect physical objects with the mind — have described the experience as a feeling of resonance with those objects. A fascinating body of evidence has also been uncovered by Dean Radin and his colleague Roger Nelson at Princeton’s PEAR lab. Researchers at PEAR found that connected couples can influence random event generators (REGs) more effectively than individuals working alone. Because of this phenomenon, Radin and Nelson decided to test for even larger field effects by using these random devices as “antennae.” First they placed REGs at events where people were all focused on the same thing and therefore “vibrating” similarly — for example, at music festivals, religious events, and even at the Academy Awards. The results were as predicted; these venues did indeed cause the machines’ outputs to deviate from the norm [6, 7].

Then, in 1997, they decided to place REGs at fifty locations all over the world, run them continuously, and see if they could pick up on major world events. The results were astounding. Over the next ten years, Radin and Nelson studied the machines’ reactions to 205 major world events and discovered that they did indeed respond to events that were intense on a global level — especially those that were tragic. The most striking effects occurred in response to the events on 9/11, which caused the largest daily average correlation between the machines’ outputs. Even more amazing, this correlation became noticeable a few hours before the first of the twin towers was hit! [8, 9] An instance of collective precognition?

Whereas world events less horrific than 9/11 probably evoke more varied vibratory responses in people (and therefore do not resonate and amplify each other as well), truly frightening events tend to evoke a more common, coherent response. As this study showed, when nearly all of the people on Earth “got onto the same wavelength” on 9/11, even machines noticed.
One more Vallee quotation, this time from the intro to the second volume.

Some day a perceptive historian may be able to document how and why intelligence agencies of the major countries took such a messy interest in parapsychology and aerial phenomena during the early Seventies. The argument that the Soviet adversary was researching the field provides only a tiny excuse for an answer.

I have never forgotten the harsh lessons of the Pentacle Memorandum revealed in Volume One. This previously-secret document showed that the scientific debate about the phenomenon had been cynically manipulated by the military and the CIA. A panel of Nobel-level scientists assembled in 1953 to analyze the problem had never received full disclosure of the data.
Fighting a clean Mind War has some very specific rules.

Maintain your coherence.
Do not decohere others.
Avoid vectors of mind control.
And finally, to Peter Grey’s point above about re-enchanting the world… attract the attention of something more noble.

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Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Postby stoneonstone » Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:59 pm

Something occurred to me while I was eating my curry tonight: maybe the Paris scenario writers are trying out or introducing a new meme - the muslim/buddist self-sacrificing bomber.

Like Thích Quảng Đức, choosing a site clear of others, and then making a statement...
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Postby tapitsbo » Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:59 pm

Alice, I understand the importance you place on the Muslim Brotherhood in understanding these situations

Where do you see groups like Erdogan's party fitting in to the larger scheme of Middle Eastern politics
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:04 pm

The London attackers, for instance, didn't even have to kill themselves, even according to the official story. They could as easily have dropped their timed bombs on the floor and jumped off the train before the doors closed. But no no, it's just got to be viva la muerte and Allahu Akbar and self-dismemberment. Group suicide it must be, every single time.

Which also means they never live to tell the tale and never stand trial in public. Handy, that.
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Postby FourthBase » Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:10 pm

So, you're saying that without the satanic prompting and supervision of Anglo-American-Israeli handlers, there'd be no Muslims banding together in clandestine or violent contests for regional power or quests for world domination? What makes Muslims special? Nothing. They're capable of being secretive and evil, too. There'd be a Brotherhood without foreign influence. There'd be a Hamas. Was there not an Ottoman Empire once, or was that also a Jewish conspiracy? Hmmm...was perhaps even Cyrus a Mossad creation? Is there not Islamic scripture, sacred beyond question, which commands a billion-plus people to seek the installation of a Caliphate, like, everywhere?

Posing as Marxists, eh, lol?

So, all those tens and tens of millions of poor, poor Muslims in whom the messages of the Brotherhood and Hamas resonate, that's all just Western-bred Jedi mind trickery? The rampant Jew-hatred barely euphemized as anti-Zionism, the sick excuse-making for stabbing sprees and suicide bombings...that all part of the Zionist masterplan, too?
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Postby solace » Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:12 pm

FourthBase » Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:10 pm wrote:So, you're saying that without the satanic prompting and supervision of Anglo-American-Israeli handlers, there'd be no Muslims banding together in clandestine or violent contests for regional power or quests for world domination? What makes Muslims special? Nothing. They're capable of being secretive and evil, too. There'd be a Brotherhood without foreign influence. There'd be a Hamas. Was there not an Ottoman Empire once, or was that also a Jewish conspiracy? Hmmm...was perhaps even Cyrus a Mossad creation? Is there not Islamic scripture, sacred beyond question, which commands a billion-plus people to seek the installation of a Caliphate, like, everywhere?

Posing as Marxists, eh, lol?

So, all those tens and tens of millions of poor, poor Muslims in whom the messages of the Brotherhood and Hamas resonate, that's all just Western-bred Jedi mind trickery? The rampant Jew-hatred barely euphemized as anti-Zionism, the sick excuse-making for stabbing sprees and suicide bombings...that all part of the Zionist masterplan, too?


Boggles the mind doesn't it;but, consider the source(s.)
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:19 pm

Was that addressed to me, FB? If so, you just prove your unseriousness and evasiveness. You don't even attempt to answer any point I actually made. Because you can't, presumably. So don't pretend that you are doing so. You are merely ranting past the point.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:20 pm

solace » Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:12 pm wrote:
FourthBase » Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:10 pm wrote:So, you're saying that without the satanic prompting and supervision of Anglo-American-Israeli handlers, there'd be no Muslims banding together in clandestine or violent contests for regional power or quests for world domination? What makes Muslims special? Nothing. They're capable of being secretive and evil, too. There'd be a Brotherhood without foreign influence. There'd be a Hamas. Was there not an Ottoman Empire once, or was that also a Jewish conspiracy? Hmmm...was perhaps even Cyrus a Mossad creation? Is there not Islamic scripture, sacred beyond question, which commands a billion-plus people to seek the installation of a Caliphate, like, everywhere?

Posing as Marxists, eh, lol?

So, all those tens and tens of millions of poor, poor Muslims in whom the messages of the Brotherhood and Hamas resonate, that's all just Western-bred Jedi mind trickery? The rampant Jew-hatred barely euphemized as anti-Zionism, the sick excuse-making for stabbing sprees and suicide bombings...that all part of the Zionist masterplan, too?


Boggles the mind doesn't it;but, consider the source(s.)


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Postby AlicetheKurious » Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:45 pm

MacCruiskeen » Sat Nov 21, 2015 2:04 am wrote:The London attackers, for instance, didn't even have to kill themselves, even according to the official story. They could as easily have dropped their timed bombs on the floor and jumped off the train before the doors closed. But no no, it's just got to be viva la muerte and Allahu Akbar and self-dismemberment. Group suicide it must be, every single time.

Which also means they never live to tell the tale and never stand trial in public. Handy, that.


Indeed it is. As with any illusion, the less scrutiny, the better it works.

tapitsbo wrote:Alice, I understand the importance you place on the Muslim Brotherhood in understanding these situations

Where do you see groups like Erdogan's party fitting in to the larger scheme of Middle Eastern politics


One of the very few long-time members who ever "defected" after rising up to the middle ranks is the Egyptian lawyer Tharwat El-Kharabawy. He not only left the Brotherhood, but after a decade basically deprogramming his mind, has become one of their most effective opponents, and has spilled a lot of their beans. Among other things, he described the time he spent with Erdogan as a fellow, fully committed Brother.

Erdogan is trying to reestablish the Turkish Empire, with himself as Caliph, ruling over the Sunni Muslims of the Middle East. But in doing that, he is fulfilling a role that has been assigned to him. I explained that in a bit more detail, and context, in the "Decoding the 'Middle East'" thread.
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Postby stoneonstone » Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:59 pm

I guess the wheels were coming off the writer's first draft, with dialogue; now all forgotten, with a new small correction a few hours later; from being 'a first' to, well, just an unlucky girl, in a short few hours:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -raid.html

At one stage Aitboulahcen appeared at a window, shouting "help me, help me", perhaps to lure the police in. She was told that if she did not stay where she was, she would be shot, but went back inside.
At around 6am, police began a fresh assault. Their targets were ready for them, wearing their suicide vests. Aitboulahcen was the first to open fire during the fresh exchange, using a Kalashnikov assault rifle.



The police tried to talk to Aitboulahcen, asking her: "Where's your boyfriend?"
"He's not my boyfriend!" she screamed in reply.
Seconds later, she detonated a suicide vest, killing herself and causing the floor of the apartment to collapse. The explosion was so violent that her spine was later found lying in the street outside.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2 ... is-attacks

The French TV station iTele is reporting that an unidentified man – not a woman – was the suicide bomber who blew himself up on Wednesday during a violent police shoot-out in St-Denis, write Kim Willsher (@kimwillsher1) and Luke Harding (@lukeharding1968):
It was previously believed that Hasna Aït Boulahcen – a 26-year-old French national whose passport was found in a handbag in what remained of the apartment raided on Tuesday – had blown herself up by detonating a suicide vest. She was killed during the battle with police but wasn’t the suicide bomber, the TV station reported.
The Paris prosecutor confirmed this to the Guardian. “All I can tell you is that the kamikaze was not Hasna,” the prosecutor said.
Aït Boulahcen is the cousin of Abdelhamid Abaaoud, the suspected ringleader of the Paris attacks. His body was also discovered among the ruins of the terrorist apartment.

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